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before we begin if you haven't listened

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to our last two episodes on morris k

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jessup and carlos allende those are a

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good place to start also there's some

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material in this episode that's

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not for kids

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it's not for adults if i'm honest but

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just a warning that when we get to

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preston nichols's deprogramming

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techniques you may want to make sure

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you're not playing it around anyone

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i never got any money from you

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ufo might just as well stand for

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unprecedented financial opportunity

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be normal

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this is the saucer life a podcast in

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which we examine concepts events or

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people orbiting the world of flying

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saucers few preconceptions snark when

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justified no belief no debunking

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preston a chair and a monster and this

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is the final installment of our

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fairly epic

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trek through the uh the world of the

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philadelphia experiment and all the

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things that sort of led to that and all

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the things that are spinning out of it

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maybe not all the things that are

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spinning out of it um had to make some

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actually not tough choices about what

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not to include this gets wild and out of

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hand and

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some of these things need to be

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restrained a little bit so let's all

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hold on and enjoy the ride to

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a place called montauk

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so when we last left off we were talking

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carlos allende and the philadelphia

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experiment book and the emergence of

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this ship called the eldridge into the

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story or rather the same ship but it was

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given a name

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finally things would continue to develop

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in the early 1990s the emergence of a

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man named al

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bilik and his story is complex and

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there's a lot here and one of the

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challenges of doing this was was just

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trying to get all of this into a

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narrative that wasn't a chore to listen

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to so to vary this up um to tell the

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story of albe like i'll be summarizing

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some of a 1990 speech he gave at a mufon

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conference and uh using information from

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two books the philadelphia experiment

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and other ufo conspiracies by brad

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steiger as well as the philadelphia

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experiment chronicles

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bielik and dr mk jessop by none other

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than commander x to present this i'll be

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using some of our usual primary source

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gimmick as well as words from bielik

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story i do want to be clear we're going

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to be presenting the story as he

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presented it and there are holes to poke

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but we will poke them later so here we

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go around 1989 or so a figure emerged

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into the new age conspiracy paranormal

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bilik as he was usually known

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philadelphia experiment that had some

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elements of the original carlos allende

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tellings but with some new twists and by

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the time we get to the mid 90s he would

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conference that was transcribed and

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science work being done in the 1930s at

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the university of chicago and also and

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studies at princeton university he name

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ayan day here talking about einstein and

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talks about robert oppenheimer and david

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hilbert who was a mathematician who be

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like says theorized about multiple

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this mufon speech i'm using as a basis

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for this for this narrative or

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on art bell or whatever belick will be

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telling his story and then sort of

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go off on a tangent and so he goes off

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on a tangent about tesla and it's mostly

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a standard account of tesla's

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accomplishments the ac versus dc

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that i mean almost standard he does

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stuff about tesla like this

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to do a lot of research and in this

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period of the research he was dabbling

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into very basic ideas of research

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involving very high powered electricity

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electrical bolts the tesla coil if you

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will he was there two years he made some

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press announcements one of them in 1899

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was that he had been in contact with

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some people off planet earth ets if you

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will in our modern terminology the press

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took a great note of it and the

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scientific colleagues took a very dim

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view of it at the time that was not a

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popular subject they thought he was a

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little bit around the bend perhaps which

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they thought very much he was later a

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couple decades later but he stuck to his

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now to be clear this is one of those

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stories that has a basis in fact that

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tesla thought he was being contacted not

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that he necessarily was mind you and

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that sort of thing makes tesla a very

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useful figure for people who need a mad

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scientist to add to their conspiracy

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theory and what tesla actually wrote is

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interesting and yes i realize i am doing

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the albeelic thing of breaking off from

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my own narrative to talk about something

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tangential but i i love tesla's sort of

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description of what he experienced

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even now at times i can vividly recall

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the incident and see my apparatus as

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though it were actually before me my

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first observations positively terrified

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me as there was present in them

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something mysterious not to say

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supernatural and i was alone in my

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laboratory at night but at that time the

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idea of these disturbances being

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intelligently controlled signals did not

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thought flashed upon my mind that the

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disturbances i had observed might be due

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to an intelligent control although i

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could not decipher their meaning it was

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impossible for me to think of them as

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having been entirely accidental the

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feeling is constantly growing on me that

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i had been the first to hear the

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of course this experience sometimes gets

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sort of twisted into in 1899 tesla made

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the story so tesla is placed in charge

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of the philadelphia experiment by

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president roosevelt in 1933 yes 1933 not

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at producing invisibility and at this

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the philadelphia experiment film now i

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experiment 2 and it's it's a nice film

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as we'll see time travel is going to

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bielik took everything about what he was

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there be a film

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tells the secrets of the philadelphia

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experiment wouldn't the government have

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tried to suppress this well according to

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belick the government did try to

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in it yet didn't quite get into it at

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what i want to do at this point is take

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a slight break from the theoretical side

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and show you a video tape part of it

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england this movie was produced

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to be shown in theaters with schedule to

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set up about mid-august of 84 and the

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united states government saying we don't

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united states they decided after some

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deliberation to ignore the letter

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because they had already made the

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release dates and they said well three

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days we can play that we never got the

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letter so they released the movie and it

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huge waiting lines to see it and various

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very stern we don't want this movie to

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thorne could not ignore the second

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letter so they fired back at the

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government and said if you want this

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movie stopped you'll have to get a court

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injunction to stop it and the government

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showing of this movie in the united

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states that court order took effect

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and they did successfully two years

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issued banning the first one and it

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movie house i am absolutely going to

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counterinjunctions i decided i wasn't

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it was possible to do and still

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be doing something called research and i

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discovered that rather than the

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philadelphia experiment movie being

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unavailable for years due to injunctions

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and court battles according to the

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trivia section of its imdb entry quote

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at the time of its release it had the

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fastest theatrical to video window in

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film history it opened in august and was

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released on video by late october end

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quote

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that kind of turn around is unheard of

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in the 80s i mean not that i know my

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family didn't get a vcr until 1991. but

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yeah yeah it's totally being suppressed

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by the government

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bilic

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really

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weird word to type and my computer keeps

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auto correcting it to bilk

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insert jane pauley clip about ufo

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standing for unprecedented financial

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opportunity okay okay back back to

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everything

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bulk explains that the dates of the

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philadelphia experiment that we've

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always been told have been wrong the

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philadelphia experiment didn't take

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place in october of 1943 but rather in

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august of 1943. now this is the earlier

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end of the window that

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in the philadelphia experiment book

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moore and burlitz discovered that the

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eldridge could possibly have been where

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allende said it was so

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he he goes on in this story and this is

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one of the reasons i've always had a

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difficult time getting into the al bilik

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story is because he takes forever

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to get anywhere i am compressing

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so much

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so

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in the end here what what is what is al

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bilik for that's a good question what is

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albiola for where does he fit into all

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this he explains his background and

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it's it's kind of weird

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it's kind of weird

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now you may ask where do i fit in this

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picture

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good question i'll give you the answer

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i was not born albilic i was born edward

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cameron

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in 1916 fourth of august

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son of alexander duncan cameron senior

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who was a navy man

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at that time

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had a career as a navy man we don't know

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when he joined the navy because those

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records have disappeared

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as i like to say today the records were

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sanitized

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and we only have one picture of him in

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the navy and that was in 1917 and his

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bosun's mate first class uniform

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but he was a ladies man

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he loved his ladies

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and

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i was born in 1916

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to one of his

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living marriage women

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and duncan my brother duncan cameron

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named after his father alexander duncan

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cameron junior was born in 1917 in a

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different location in the new york area

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i was born in

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uh the bayshore area of long island and

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duncan was born up in connecticut

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came the war in 1917 father was tapped

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on the shoulder by the navy and says

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you're out to sea in service now

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so he abandoned his two wives

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living type they weren't legal but what

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i've checked the records

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and of course he let on with his life in

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the navy

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we were raised by andy cameron in the

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big house in

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east leicester long island

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completed our regular schooling father

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insisted he did come home once a year

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around christmas we see him for

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typically a week maybe two weeks

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that we must get a good education

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so we did i went to princeton

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duncan went to the university of

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edinburgh scotland

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he took phd in physics in the summer of

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39

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and i took a phd in physics in the

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summer 39 at harvard i met dr von

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neumann on the campus

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at the university in princeton and he

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insisted i should go to harvard to get

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my phd it was in his view a better

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school at that time

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so i did

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i did not learn too much later why he

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had such an interest in me

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that's an interesting long story

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in any case

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we both graduated in the summer of 39

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fathers and assistants who had left the

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navy in december 31st 1929 with a heart

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condition and a pension

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[Music]

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we joined the navy in september of 1940

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50 church street new york

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were given commissions lieutenant j.g

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and sent to a special navy 90-day wonder

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school

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for special officers and their special

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programs

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we graduated

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and in january of

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1940 we joined the project at the

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institute

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so al bilik is not albilic at least not

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entirely he's really edward cameron or

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at least he used to be and he's older

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than he looks or at least yeah he's

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older than he looks it gets stranger and

410
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he's got a brother named duncan so these

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two brothers edward and duncan cameron

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are working on the philadelphia

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experiment project when world war ii

414
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breaks out there's some run around where

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they're going to be stationed they're on

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the uss pennsylvania for a bit before

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heading back east to work on the project

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most of all the navy is very concerned

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that these two boys stay safe because

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they are vital to the functioning of the

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philadelphia experiment speaking of the

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experiment tesla is worried about the

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project particularly he's worried about

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the effects of the project on human

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beings and the data that informed his

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concerns

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came from a very high level source

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along about this time he made another

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press announcement in 1923 about talking

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with et's off planet which fell on some

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interested ears but a lot of dead ears

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also and he maintained a stance that he

433
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was in communication with ets unknown to

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most people he had a second laboratory

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which apparently was his main one on top

436
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of the waldorf astoria on the top floor

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in both penthouse towers

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and i know two people who said they were

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working with tesla during that period

440
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that he was using that equipment he was

441
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talking with somebody virtually every

442
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day and one of them was emphatic it was

443
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someone off planet in plain language he

444
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was communicating with et's

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who i have no idea it's never been

446
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revealed but during that period he got

447
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some additional information and he

448
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suddenly went to the navy and said we

449
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are going to have a personnel problem we

450
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are going to have a very serious problem

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you cannot develop the amount of power

452
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necessary to make a large ship of the

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line invisible without having effects on

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the personnel i need more time i need to

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develop counter measures for this so

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that the personnel are not harmed

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the navy said you can't you've got a

458
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deadline there's a war on make it work

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you can fix it but don't change it

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there was a deadline date which happened

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to be march of 42

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the specific test approached

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he became very uneasy about it and

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finally decided with no extension in

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time and no way that he could modify the

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hardware to correct the problem there

467
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was only one out for him

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and that was to sabotage the equipment

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not by physically destroying it but

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making certain that it would never work

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when it was turned on which was in

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essence what he proceeded to do on this

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test date march of 42. the battleship

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did not have a special crew on it had

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the regular crew although it had the

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specialized equipment and the switches

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were thrown and nothing happened and mr

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tesla bowed out he said well gentlemen

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the experiment is a failure and it's

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time for me to leave there's a very good

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man here who can take over things and

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make things work for you and that's dr

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so tesla is out and von neumann is in

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and

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attention to the philadelphia experiment

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for a while now know why tesla is

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concerned right because you've got

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people melting into bulkheads and going

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insane and being on fire and and

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everything like that so tesla's out von

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neumann is in

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bilic goes through a whole bunch of very

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legit sounding science stuff that just

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of which is that von neumann didn't

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think tesla was using enough power so he

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ramped up the power involved now tesla

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wasn't using

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so much power because he didn't want

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everything to go wrong

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von neumann doesn't have those concerns

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so it's august 12

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1943 and they throw the switch i like to

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imagine it was all activated by a big

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cartoony lever

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there was a blue flash and the eldridge

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vanished and belick describes what

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happened next

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when the ship disappeared and i will

509
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finish out the story now when the ship

510
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disappeared

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we of course duncan and i are in the

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control room

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and we knew within about 30 seconds

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something was very wrong

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[Music]

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we tried to shut the equipment off and

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went for the main power switches they

518
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were frozen we couldn't budge them

519
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so we got the bright idea with all kinds

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of walking taking place in the control

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room which had no business being there

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and we didn't know what was going on we

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couldn't shut it off so up we went

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through the bulkhead door

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went out on deck so all these navy

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people milling around

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no one was buried in the decks then

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we had the bright idea jump overboard

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and swim ashore

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well at that point with the fields on

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you could not see anything beyond the

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railing of the ship

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nevertheless we jumped overboard

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expecting to hit the water in the bay

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we did not

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we started falling and falling and

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falling

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eventually wound up standing on dry land

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at night

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with our backs to a what was obviously a

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military fence a chain-link fence

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and suddenly a bright light overhead was

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a searchlight on a helicopter we knew

544
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nothing about helicopters in those days

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because in 43

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there were almost a toy sikorsky was

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still working on perfecting them for the

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military

549
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nonetheless this bright light beamed

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down on us blinding really

551
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mps came out of nowhere grabbed us took

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us to a building

553
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we got an elevator and went down several

554
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levels

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the elevator door opens and we met by

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an elderly gentleman with white hair a

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00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:58,240
civilian

558
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,679
everyone else down there seemed to be

559
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:01,200
military

560
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,640
and he said to us

561
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:03,919
welcome gentlemen i've been waiting for

562
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:06,720
you i'm dr john von neumann

563
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,720
we looked at him and said you're who

564
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:10,880
said dr john van noyman we were still

565
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:13,200
quite dazed frankly

566
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:14,640
and so you couldn't be we left him an

567
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,679
hour ago and he's a much younger man

568
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:19,760
i said i'm sorry i am the same von

569
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:22,559
neumann you knew 40 years ago

570
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:26,080
you're no longer in 1943 you're in 1983

571
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:27,600
and you're at montauk long island

572
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:30,320
brought at the phoenix project

573
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:33,600
welcome well we thought he was nuts

574
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,159
we were there about 12 hours total from

575
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:37,840
we found out later we arrived about 2

576
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,760
a.m in the morning of the 12th of august

577
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:43,440
83

578
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:46,000
and they gave us the cook's tour

579
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:47,600
huge computers

580
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:49,760
computer control systems hard disk

581
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,200
drives

582
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,600
control systems graphic displays color

583
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:55,440
tv large screen and all kinds of

584
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,960
electronic equipment none of which

585
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:58,640
existed in 43

586
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:01,760
and we sat down and started to watch tv

587
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,799
well you see advertisements for 747 jets

588
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,080
and uh

589
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,480
discussions about man in the moon and a

590
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,480
couple of views of modern superhighways

591
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:13,200
and the gigantic traffic jams

592
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,640
we soon got the idea something was

593
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,799
drastically wrong and we finally had to

594
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,960
accept what he told us

595
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:21,200
then he sprung it on us

596
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,400
well gentlemen you're gonna have to go

597
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,559
back to the eldritch

598
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:26,480
oh guess how are we gonna do that well

599
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:27,919
we'll send you back and how are you

600
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,640
going to do that

601
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,720
very simple we control space and time

602
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:34,240
here from this project we can send you

603
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,320
anywhere as we want at any time we want

604
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:40,320
so they sent us back the instructions

605
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,760
were to smash the equipment on the

606
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,400
eldritch because it had enough fuel in

607
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,240
the generators to run 30 days if

608
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,480
something didn't break down first and it

609
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,919
had built

610
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,000
and was within what is called a

611
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,200
hyperspace bubble which was growing

612
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,400
and the two experiments 43 and 83 both

613
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,000
12th august

614
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:02,159
had locked up and pulled the ship out of

615
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,520
the harbor of philadelphia and in this

616
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:05,200
hyperspace bubble

617
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,799
so just to keep track

618
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,320
during the philadelphia experiment

619
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,080
edward cameron and his brother duncan

620
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:12,400
jump overboard to jump off the ship and

621
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,280
travel from august 12 1943 to august 12

622
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,600
1983 there they meet the doctor and

623
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:19,360
charge the project

624
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,480
john von neumann who's still very old or

625
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:24,480
is very old at that point

626
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,440
and

627
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,520
this man tells them they have to go back

628
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:29,760
in time and smash up all the equipment

629
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,640
to make sure that everything is okay got

630
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,480
that because it only gets weirder from

631
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,880
here now it turns out there had been an

632
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,360
unexpected visitor during the experiment

633
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,679
and this is al bilik talking to brad

634
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,440
steiger in steiger's book the

635
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:46,000
philadelphia experiment and other ufo

636
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,230
between august 4th and august 12th we

637
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,159
had cited ufos hovering over the

638
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,240
eldritch well a ufo was sucked along

639
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,400
with us to montauk and it was dismantled

640
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,559
there although no one knew it then the

641
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,159
most important piece of equipment on the

642
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,799
eldritch was tesla's zero time generator

643
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,559
this incredible device was created to

644
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:08,240
lock into the basic zero time of our

645
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,080
galaxy it provides a physical

646
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,919
cosmological lock up that must be in

647
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,840
place before one can attempt any exotic

648
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,440
experiments in teleportation

649
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,760
invisibility or whatever it appears that

650
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,520
the ufo had been trying to warn us that

651
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,120
we must not attempt our experiment on

652
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:23,120
august 12th the earth has its own

653
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,799
biorhythm just as we humans and all

654
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,039
living things do there's a 20-year peak

655
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,280
that occurred that year on august 12

656
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:32,400
1943 we were pulled into hyperspace and

657
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,669
so aliens were present at the

658
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,919
philadelphia experiment so

659
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,760
what went wrong

660
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:45,760
al says he was told basically that it

661
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:48,080
went wrong because in 1943 they didn't

662
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,840
have a computer and a computer was

663
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,320
necessary for the success of the project

664
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,480
because each individual has his own

665
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:55,919
individual

666
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,880
time lock reference and when some kind

667
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,960
of power disrupts that reference people

668
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,360
are torn away from their moments in time

669
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,360
and drift away to another point in time

670
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,360
and this goes back to tesla's

671
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,320
time generator thing so eventually dr

672
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:12,240
von neumann comes up with a computer and

673
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,840
he is known in actual real history for

674
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,080
being a computer pioneer and eventually

675
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,320
belik explains the powers that be shut

676
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,400
the operation down and the eldridge is

677
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,760
transferred to the greek navy and

678
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:23,440
everything is over

679
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,559
or is it

680
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,400
what about the whole deal of al bilik

681
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,080
being edward cameron

682
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:30,159
he explains it kind of

683
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,679
here

684
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,360
you may not believe this but secret

685
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,039
government agencies have the ability to

686
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,720
arrange new bodies for souls whose

687
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,880
previous physical bodies have died my

688
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,559
brother's soul was introduced to a body

689
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,559
that was born in 1951

690
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:44,080
for reasons that i cannot explain at

691
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,919
this time they cannot allow my brother

692
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:47,600
or myself to die

693
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,880
it was arranged that i should have the

694
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:50,799
body and background of alfred bilic born

695
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,240
in 1927. the cia and nsa have all kinds

696
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,919
of incredible technology that can work

697
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,760
with the individual's genetic blueprint

698
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,279
and the external matrix that flows

699
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:01,360
around it they can do physical age

700
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,870
so at some point edward cameron's soul

701
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:10,960
is sent back in time to be born into a

702
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:14,480
new body and live out that life as al

703
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,600
bilik exactly when seems to vary beelik

704
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,120
talks about being involved with other

705
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,279
government projects throughout the 1940s

706
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,360
especially in this first book by steiger

707
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,440
in any event edward will be reborn as

708
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:27,600
albiolic in 1927.

709
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,320
at the age of 10 in 1937 he has a weird

710
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,240
experience which he describes almost as

711
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,039
an awakening this is because he believes

712
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,520
1937 was the year he first got involved

713
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,279
in all of the philadelphia experiment

714
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,600
weirdness he studies becomes an engineer

715
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,440
and works in that field but he's been

716
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,760
brainwashed he doesn't know about his

717
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:47,919
past he does learn eventually that his

718
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,559
brother duncan will return to 1983 but

719
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,480
he became unmoored from his time

720
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:54,720
reference point and he ages rapidly

721
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,279
dying within days fortunately his soul

722
00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:59,520
is transmitted back in time and he's

723
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,640
reborn in 1951 and we'll be hearing more

724
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,120
about duncan cameron in a little while

725
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,840
felix brainwashing was fairly thorough

726
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,320
though he claims

727
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,159
and it's been a horrendous waste i would

728
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,480
say of a career of knowledge i once had

729
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,400
pieces of it came back at times but the

730
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,400
basic personality remains quite stably

731
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,559
as albilic and the memories of edward a

732
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,320
cameron flit in and out but they're

733
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:24,000
mostly there now particularly the

734
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:25,679
earlier years up to and through the

735
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,480
experiment from 43 to 47 a good part of

736
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,320
it is blank i don't know what else

737
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,640
happened except i know that in 47 they

738
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,559
decided that i was no longer useful in

739
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:36,799
fact i had to be gotten rid of so that's

740
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,750
so he was brainwashed and doesn't

741
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,919
remember anything but according to the

742
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,840
steiger book which came out in 90 he

743
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:49,440
said he began researching the

744
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,400
philadelphia experiment in the 1960s but

745
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,919
didn't realize at the time there was a

746
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,480
personal connection involved he becomes

747
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,960
acquainted with ivan sanderson who knew

748
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,279
morris k jessup and was involved in the

749
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,600
whole morris k jesup thing and later on

750
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,440
he meets some other people who take him

751
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,159
up to montauk where he starts to have

752
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,240
some memories break through when he's

753
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:12,559
there at long island

754
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:16,240
and along about 1985 i was invited after

755
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,520
i became an engineer i went through

756
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,640
school i was invited to

757
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,480
come visit with preston nichols on the

758
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:25,279
island and i went there in august of 85

759
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,480
and

760
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,080
we went to montauk

761
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,159
for the first time i thought

762
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,399
he thought we were all exposed to this

763
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:34,799
base with its buried projects

764
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:38,240
unbelievably bad vibrations there

765
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:39,840
but on my second visit to the same

766
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,600
location in may of 86 where we

767
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,120
documented it in those photos i'll show

768
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,960
you tomorrow night

769
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,399
my memory started to come back at being

770
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,320
involved in the phoenix project as al

771
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,399
bilik and later on

772
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,240
in 88

773
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:54,080
and not maybe january on a saturday

774
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,760
night on hbo

775
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,960
they were showing the movie the

776
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:58,480
philadelphia experiment which had not

777
00:28:02,789 --> 00:27:59,919
seen prior

778
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,799
or the actual movie in 84

779
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,559
and that jogged my memory enormously

780
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,320
that night so that i started to remember

781
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,679
the philadelphia experiment the fact

782
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,520
that i was involved

783
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,440
from that point on his history

784
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:14,159
recovering more memories and more data

785
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,960
and

786
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:17,039
eventually going public

787
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,799
we'll get to preston nichols in the

788
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,720
phoenix project in a bit but one thing i

789
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,640
want to make an observation about and i

790
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,480
think i'm correct on this is that in

791
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,159
later tellings when i've heard al tell a

792
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,240
story on coast to coast or shows like

793
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,240
that he doesn't go into the fact that he

794
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,159
had been researching this since the

795
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,559
1960s he doesn't really talk about that

796
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,080
i might be misremembering but it seems

797
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,679
to me that the recollection i have of

798
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,760
the story from later tellings begins

799
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,080
with begins with him being triggered or

800
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,559
activated by the philadelphia experiment

801
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,039
movie or these visits to montauk

802
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:49,760
rather than his philadelphia experiment

803
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,640
research from the 1960s now one thing

804
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,559
that's interesting in the brad steiger

805
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,039
book is that beeleck implies that

806
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:00,159
sanderson somehow was privy to all this

807
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,000
information about his previous life

808
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,000
al bilik had made acquaintance of ivan t

809
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:07,760
sanderson the noted naturalist

810
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,159
television personality zoologist ufo

811
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,159
researcher and authority on anomalous

812
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,559
phenomena sanderson who among an almost

813
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,000
endless list of accomplishments and

814
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,159
hobbies was a spelunker an amateur cave

815
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,320
explorer and he began to puzzle beelik

816
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,840
with stories of shared adventures with

817
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,760
beelik and his brother

818
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,360
the more al would protest that he had

819
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,360
not gone cave crawling with sanderson

820
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,880
the more the colorful scotsman would

821
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:31,039
insist that bilic had forgotten the more

822
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,559
that al would argue that he did not have

823
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,399
a brother the more ivan would look

824
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,480
strangely askance at him

825
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,080
ivan would go on in great detail

826
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,000
effortlessly describing the great times

827
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,000
he had had with my brother and me felix

828
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,080
said i have since determined that duncan

829
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,000
and i both resemble our prior physical

830
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,559
lives i was a bit heavier slightly more

831
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,480
muscular but almost exactly the same

832
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:52,799
height duncan looks almost exactly as he

833
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,200
did before perhaps the only significant

834
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:57,279
difference is that as cameron's we both

835
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,029
now conveniently for everybody involved

836
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,159
except us these stories about belick and

837
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,159
sanderson don't come out until after

838
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,159
sanderson is dead now there are

839
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:14,960
photographs of belik with sanderson that

840
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:18,080
i've seen online and published in this

841
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,279
book

842
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,360
i think what that proves

843
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,200
if it proves anything is that bilic had

844
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:24,720
a long-standing interest in the

845
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:27,760
philadelphia experiment before he

846
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,279
gets involved in claiming he was part of

847
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:33,440
the philadelphia experiment

848
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,840
so this book by steiger goes into more

849
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,919
detail on alien conspiracies and

850
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,760
cover-ups that are connected with the

851
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,440
philadelphia experiment and a lot of it

852
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,039
is very similar to what we see

853
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:45,440
throughout the 1980s and 1990s it's very

854
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,679
conspiratorial very tight into what

855
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:49,360
people like john lear and bill cooper

856
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,200
and bill english were talking about but

857
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,720
there are some quirks

858
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,640
the philadelphia experiment according to

859
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,600
bielik had ripped a hole in hyperspace

860
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,000
40 years wide and that is such an

861
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:02,399
evocatively sci-fi phrase

862
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,519
40 years wide

863
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:07,360
the whole philadelphia experiment was

864
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,039
set up by an alien group that had met

865
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,960
with president franklin delano roosevelt

866
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:12,640
in 1934.

867
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,799
yes fdr met with aliens somewhere in the

868
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,640
mid-pacific i believe it was on board

869
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,880
the pennsylvania he signed an agreement

870
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:20,720
that would exchange alien technology in

871
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,760
return for certain planetary privileges

872
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,200
the treaty was made with a group that

873
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,000
i'll just label the k group these aliens

874
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:29,840
can pass for human although their skin

875
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,840
tends to have a slight greenish tint

876
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,279
because of this tendency they often

877
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:35,200
bleach their epidermis white in order to

878
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:42,789
in the interests of time and my blood

879
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,080
pressure i think i will just leave alone

880
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:48,799
bielik's notion that in order to pass as

881
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,679
human the aliens had to appear white

882
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,120
um

883
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,760
just leave that there

884
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:58,000
but also golly he sure knows a lot about

885
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,919
the aliens for somebody who earlier

886
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,679
claimed he didn't know earlier that same

887
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,840
year claimed he didn't know much about

888
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,240
the aliens he didn't know who they were

889
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:09,279
or anything like that but now he knows a

890
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,880
whole lot he knows that this meeting had

891
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,120
been arranged by tesla since tesla had

892
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,799
been in contact with the aliens since

893
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,880
the 1920s and even earlier and

894
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,640
immediately after this agreement took

895
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,320
place we began to see enormous

896
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,240
scientific benefits from our new alien

897
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,880
partners overall bulik has some pretty

898
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:26,640
detailed information about what's going

899
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:30,559
on with our potential alien overlords

900
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,080
al bilik is of the opinion that the

901
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,000
alien group known as the greys are not

902
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,320
as hostile toward humankind as other ufo

903
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,480
researchers might have us believe

904
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,399
i think the grey aliens are really pawns

905
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,399
of a species of reptilian entities from

906
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,559
orion he states i believe that the

907
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,240
reptilians plan to take over the

908
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,000
governments of earth possibly enslave

909
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,320
humankind and wipe out the greys

910
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,000
although bielik feels that a one world

911
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,919
government on earth is inevitable if the

912
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,000
planet is to survive he certainly does

913
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:58,080
not wish despotic reptilians to be in

914
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,039
charge

915
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,039
the galactic council also wishes our

916
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,799
planet to exist peacefully under one

917
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,399
banner of international brotherhood and

918
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,399
sisterhood with all nations receiving

919
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:08,720
equality and respect but the reptilians

920
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:16,070
it certainly is getting a little out of

921
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,840
hand and by 1994 this story would expand

922
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,840
even further a new book about the

923
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,600
philadelphia experiment comes out this

924
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,519
one from commander x it's called the

925
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:27,360
philadelphia experiment chronicles as i

926
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,880
said at the beginning of the show and

927
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,200
here we learned how the philadelphia

928
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,120
experiment transitioned into something

929
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:35,039
different called the phoenix project

930
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:38,240
beginning in 1947 and we start to see

931
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,320
hints of

932
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:41,039
inter-dimensional

933
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,000
stuff

934
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:44,720
headline phoenix project enabled

935
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,360
invasion of the greys

936
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,279
now if you want a little history of ufos

937
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,039
and the problems with ets at the present

938
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,279
time a mass invasion took place which

939
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,200
cooper has mentioned there was a massive

940
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,880
invasion of the greys during the period

941
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,360
in the early 50s onward the invasion is

942
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,519
over because they're already here the

943
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,039
indications are that they came from

944
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,600
another space-time continuum a reality

945
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,440
other than the one we consider as our

946
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,359
universe they had to have a way of

947
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:11,599
getting in in massive numbers this was

948
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,240
their way this entire project the two

949
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,480
coupling together as i view it now today

950
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:18,320
with the data i have was generated for

951
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,079
the specific purpose of creating a hole

952
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,079
in space time to allow a massive

953
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,399
invasion of earth into our reality into

954
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,320
our system that took a great deal of

955
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,079
knowledge and a great deal of control by

956
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,480
extraterrestrial intelligences

957
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:32,159
to my knowledge there are no et's

958
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,359
involved in the functioning of the

959
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,359
philadelphia experiment there were a

960
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,879
great many involved in the functioning

961
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,800
of the phoenix project the basic

962
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,800
technology that we had was inadequate

963
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,879
that was the function of montauk and it

964
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,720
took a group of aliens that worked there

965
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,000
for 10 years converting their

966
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,079
technological data to our ibm 360

967
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,839
formats because we didn't have computers

968
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,599
in those days that could handle it other

969
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:53,440
than by manual conversion

970
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,510
commander x then introduces us to a

971
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,280
woman named helga who claims that her

972
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,800
father was one of the scientists who

973
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,640
worked on the philadelphia experiment

974
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,400
she tells us how she and al bilik

975
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,320
traveled to montauk new york and met a

976
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,400
man named preston nichols as well as

977
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,240
duncan cameron al's supposed

978
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,359
half-brother which dovetails into al's

979
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,040
telling about how he went to montauk and

980
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:18,880
met these people and then memories start

981
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,280
flooding back and according to helga

982
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:23,359
they have a very interesting story to

983
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,800
tell

984
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,480
during my trip i was introduced to

985
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,160
preston nichols who worked there as a

986
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:30,000
scientist in the now totally dismantled

987
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:32,000
labs and in the radar building there is

988
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,760
also al bilik's half-brother duncan

989
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,599
cameron who is a great psychic with the

990
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,359
most extraordinary capabilities in mind

991
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,760
control known to mankind as part of the

992
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,000
philadelphia experiment duncan by using

993
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,240
his extraordinary psychic powers not

994
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,400
only created physical manifestations but

995
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,320
was able to transport solid objects to

996
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,800
distant locations he even materialized a

997
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,880
25-foot tall monster that couldn't be

998
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,800
stopped once created eventually

999
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:56,320
destroying numerous structures

1000
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,910
we'll hear more about that when we come

1001
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,599
back from this break but before we get

1002
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,920
to the break i do want to tell you what

1003
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,160
al bilik thought of

1004
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,560
carlos allende and carlos allende's

1005
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,960
stories this is from the mufon talk from

1006
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,960
1990.

1007
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,640
many stories are told about him he's

1008
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:20,240
been interviewed many times and certain

1009
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:21,599
things just don't hang together in the

1010
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,599
stories he tells he may well have been

1011
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:25,040
there but nobody has been able to nail

1012
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:26,450
down his real history

1013
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,069
i mean that's not wrong but i have a

1014
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,480
feeling that al bilik is

1015
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,960
the last person who should be calling

1016
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,400
out

1017
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,800
anybody for having an unbelievable story

1018
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,280
that doesn't hang together and whose

1019
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,000
history doesn't quite make sense

1020
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,000
we'll be looking more at al bilik's

1021
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,400
history after the break and digging into

1022
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:54,560
this project phoenix and

1023
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:57,530
more with montauk

1024
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,829
we'll be back next week as usual

1025
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,280
fielding your questions and comments

1026
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,280
about this episode and actually about

1027
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,119
all of the philadelphia experiment and

1028
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,280
montauk stuff that we've covered we'll

1029
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,839
also be looking at some

1030
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,000
tangentially related materials a little

1031
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,839
bit some books i got a hold of that that

1032
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,880
are sort of

1033
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:20,480
spin-offs or some things that are

1034
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,280
interesting that i didn't have time to

1035
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:25,520
um get in the mail before i had to

1036
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:28,960
record things or that just didn't quite

1037
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,200
fit things like the novel thin air or

1038
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:35,040
brad steiger's first book about the

1039
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,040
allende letters or a book that connects

1040
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:41,280
the philadelphia experiment

1041
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:42,320
to

1042
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,640
phil schneider of dulce bass fame so

1043
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,720
get your questions and comments to us

1044
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:51,119
through comments on this episode on the

1045
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:53,880
website social media or through email at

1046
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,800
thesaucerlife gmail.com

1047
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:57,920
we're on

1048
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,800
twitter and facebook and everything at

1049
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,160
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1050
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,480
and on the next regular episode

1051
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,960
we're going to be looking at a figure

1052
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,640
from the

1053
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:11,040
earlier part of the 20th century whose

1054
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,079
work would have an influence on

1055
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,320
some aspects of the saucer lives that we

1056
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,960
know and love and that man is william

1057
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,079
dudley

1058
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,760
pelly we've mentioned him here and there

1059
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:23,599
before you might be familiar with him

1060
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,240
from other areas but we're going to get

1061
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,480
a little more history-ish next time

1062
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,720
looking deeper into the early 20th

1063
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,200
century and some of the

1064
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:36,079
political and also spiritual

1065
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,440
aspects of what would underlie some ufo

1066
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:41,760
thought later on you can support the

1067
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,079
show at

1068
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,800
patreon.com

1069
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,320
chiso media there's also a link in the

1070
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:48,880
show notes lots of great content there

1071
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,320
bonus episodes videos extended sort of

1072
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:54,800
commentary on uh episodes both of the

1073
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:58,079
saucer life and our other podcast great

1074
00:39:02,710 --> 00:38:59,839
lakes lore which i host with samantha

1075
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,720
engel and lots of stuff we're very

1076
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,640
appreciative of those who are supporting

1077
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,560
us over there it's it's been fun

1078
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:08,560
interacting with everybody on that

1079
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,720
platform as well so patreon.commedia

1080
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,960
or just uh just click the link in the

1081
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:16,000
show notes

1082
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,359
and now

1083
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,960
now i think we've got to get back to the

1084
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,599
program and figure out exactly

1085
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,920
whether or not al bilik used to be a guy

1086
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,920
named edward cameron and then we're

1087
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,320
going to hightail it out to montauk long

1088
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:30,480
island and we're going to sit in a magic

1089
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,190
all right a little more on al bilik in

1090
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,359
addition to his travels through time his

1091
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,000
well his soul traveling through time to

1092
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,160
various places he

1093
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:48,240
visited some other points on the time

1094
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,560
stream in the far future and also

1095
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,240
out in space

1096
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:56,480
here's al talking about going to alpha

1097
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,000
centauri or alpha centauri one let's be

1098
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,880
um let's be accurate

1099
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,200
arrived there not knowing

1100
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,440
what was happening

1101
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,280
or why i was there or what had really

1102
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:12,000
happened at this point i was not

1103
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:13,280
shall we say

1104
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,400
properly educated into portals and

1105
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,000
their capability for taking you and

1106
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:20,000
transporting you from point a to point b

1107
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:21,520
which could be in the other side of the

1108
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,880
universe and zero almost zero time

1109
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,640
but in any case i arrived at alpha

1110
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,720
centauri one and i was greeted by a

1111
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,760
group of

1112
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,920
humanoid-looking aliens i knew they were

1113
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,680
aliens but they had a more or less human

1114
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:35,680
appearance

1115
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:37,119
what was the more part and what was the

1116
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,720
last part

1117
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,560
well the more part was that they had a

1118
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:43,440
head two hands two arms two legs

1119
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,240
a torso and uh ran about

1120
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,480
just about six foot

1121
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,480
uh the general

1122
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,480
body appearance if you covered their

1123
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,720
face would pass for human except their

1124
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,359
skin where was exposed was modeled in a

1125
00:41:02,309 --> 00:40:59,839
strange way and they had no hair

1126
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,319
what color was their skin

1127
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:04,800
skin color was

1128
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,240
as i remember it now it was sort of a

1129
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,520
mixture

1130
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,839
of yellow

1131
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,680
yellowish and whitish it was like it was

1132
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,599
in patches a patch of white a patch of

1133
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,760
yellow i don't know why he didn't talk

1134
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,599
about this in the books he wrote or in

1135
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,599
his mufon talk that would have been way

1136
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,280
more interesting especially for a mufon

1137
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,440
talk than a lot of the things he talked

1138
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,520
about maybe those particular memories

1139
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,079
hadn't been unlocked yet but

1140
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:31,920
maybe i'm just being

1141
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,200
cynical he also went to the year 2137

1142
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,280
which doesn't sound that great to be

1143
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:39,760
honest here an interviewer asks al about

1144
00:41:44,349 --> 00:41:41,839
his journey there and the implications

1145
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:44,359
of the six weeks he spent in

1146
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:48,079
2137 for mankind or humankind or people

1147
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,280
on earth

1148
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,280
all of us what

1149
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,119
is the implication of the six weeks

1150
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,640
there

1151
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,800
uh in detail

1152
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,640
there's not a great deal of detail i can

1153
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,240
recall on that other than the fact that

1154
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,400
i was in a hospital bed for four weeks

1155
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:04,160
and in the hospital itself for another

1156
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:05,280
two weeks

1157
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,480
with duncan in a bed adjacent to me

1158
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,400
and this of course is after we jumped

1159
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,319
off the eldridge

1160
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,079
and uh

1161
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,319
the first four weeks basically was

1162
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:19,119
physically recovering from the damage

1163
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,880
which had occurred

1164
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:22,960
which were at that time little was known

1165
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,520
about this problem but it is known now

1166
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,000
if you go out into a space or even a

1167
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,520
hyperspace there are all kinds of

1168
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,119
radiations out there which can be highly

1169
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,880
damaging to the body

1170
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,319
and that's exactly what happened to us

1171
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,839
we had no protective suits on no

1172
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,520
protective clothing and when we arrived

1173
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,680
in 2137 as they told us we're in pretty

1174
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,680
bad physical shape that we have been

1175
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:43,200
severely burned

1176
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,800
and i tripped through

1177
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,480
hyperspace space or whatever the term

1178
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,920
was they used

1179
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,280
sounds rough you go all the way to the

1180
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,599
future and you end up in a hospital room

1181
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:54,240
were the hospital rooms at least nice

1182
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,040
and

1183
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,359
well appointed or whatever but while

1184
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,280
they're of course watching tv as there

1185
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,440
was tv and they had in this hospital

1186
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,760
room tv sets and uh

1187
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,680
one for me i guess one for duncan were

1188
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,760
they a little different than the kinds

1189
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,839
of tv sets we know now in the year 2000

1190
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,480
very little different there were

1191
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:14,560
color tvs there were screens mounted on

1192
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,599
a swivel unit up on the ceiling so you

1193
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,200
could control the angle of which it was

1194
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,880
down in the direction of which it was

1195
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:21,920
swiveled

1196
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,880
towards you so it being straight at you

1197
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,200
uh the sound could come out of the

1198
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,200
ceiling speaker or it can

1199
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,960
come from here sets

1200
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,119
whichever you preferred

1201
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,599
and uh there was program selection you

1202
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,280
had an automatic control for that just

1203
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,440
like we have remotes for today do you

1204
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,640
recall what tv programs you watched

1205
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:46,000
wow the future sounds absolutely amazing

1206
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,440
is there anything else interesting

1207
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:50,000
besides the tv remotes al the first

1208
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,520
thing i noted was references

1209
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,359
geographically

1210
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,680
to the united states and i noticed

1211
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:58,800
severe changes in the coastlines

1212
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,680
and the interior and uh the fact that

1213
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,599
europe was didn't look at all like when

1214
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,359
i had remembered it

1215
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:06,960
i started asking questions what's

1216
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,680
happened what's going on been going on

1217
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,359
that's when they uh said i want to see

1218
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:13,119
maps of what's happened and some

1219
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,400
description

1220
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,680
said it looks like there's been major

1221
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:17,280
earth changes and i said yes there have

1222
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,319
been

1223
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,760
it all happened

1224
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,920
in the period between the beginning of

1225
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:24,240
the 21st century

1226
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,000
and basically the year 2025.

1227
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,480
now what happened so they told me they

1228
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:32,160
showed me maps

1229
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,200
and

1230
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,839
did describe it

1231
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,440
uh the east coast of the united states

1232
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,920
was rather heavily changed not as much

1233
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,680
as the west coast

1234
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,440
but neither one for that matter none of

1235
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,839
the changes i saw would

1236
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,520
fit some of the uh

1237
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,599
very far out maps promulgated in the

1238
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,440
late 20th century

1239
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:53,440
by various people such as the i am

1240
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,839
america group and uh

1241
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,920
michael gordon scallion and his series

1242
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,280
of maps

1243
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,920
ooh earth changes i it occurs to me that

1244
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,520
i would love to do an earth changes

1245
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,040
episode but

1246
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:07,119
it isn't really very flying saucer-ish

1247
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,640
and i mean

1248
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,800
that's one thing that i always sort of

1249
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,640
was irritated by by earth changes

1250
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,400
episodes with gordon michael scallion or

1251
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,319
lori toy or whoever on coast to coast i

1252
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,960
am is that on the radio you you you're

1253
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,720
stuck having to hear their descriptions

1254
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:22,960
of how these maps have changed and it's

1255
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:25,520
it's it's not that great so

1256
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:28,960
al felik also goes to or edward cameron

1257
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:32,640
whoever also goes to the year 2749 and

1258
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,359
that is astounding because it's even

1259
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,680
more boring now can you describe what

1260
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,000
the civilization was like in the year

1261
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,880
2749

1262
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,880
what i saw this civilization was a

1263
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,520
highly advanced civilization and

1264
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:49,520
technologically

1265
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,960
we had floating cities they had

1266
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:52,640
ground-based cities the floating ones

1267
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:56,800
are anti-gravity type flotation

1268
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,920
2100 2200 stories like the cities are

1269
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,400
two and a half miles high

1270
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,400
and in retrospect i have looked at that

1271
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,480
and says now how the blazes

1272
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,319
with any of the materials that we know

1273
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,240
in the 20th century how could they build

1274
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:11,839
anything that would sustain that kind of

1275
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,800
weight from the stories above it

1276
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,480
and of course it was explained to me at

1277
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,960
that time in the 28th century that was

1278
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,720
very easy to explain because they had

1279
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,680
conquered

1280
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,000
at full control over anti-gravity and

1281
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,839
multiple systems of

1282
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:27,920
anti-gravity in which they built

1283
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,960
platforms of every 300 floors

1284
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,720
approximately

1285
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:35,040
and uh they would relieve the strain of

1286
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,240
the pressure from above with an

1287
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,240
anti-gravity reverse system so that the

1288
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,240
pressure above disappeared

1289
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,920
so to each section only had to support

1290
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,280
its own weight and they kept adding

1291
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:45,680
sections as they built this city

1292
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:46,560
up to

1293
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:50,000
2100 2200 stories

1294
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,160
and in addition if they wanted the city

1295
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:53,839
to be a floating city it was a floating

1296
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:57,119
city so who is al bilik what is the deal

1297
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,400
with this guy

1298
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,000
following a tip from a listener the ever

1299
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:02,240
informative brian i found an archived

1300
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,920
copy of a website that's no longer

1301
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:06,240
active but it is the descriptively named

1302
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,280
bilik

1303
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,040
debunked.com

1304
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,119
there's not a lot of room for ambiguity

1305
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,680
there and while i'm going to relay this

1306
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,520
information to you i can't take credit

1307
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,599
for finding it we're going to be poking

1308
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,040
some holes in his story a little bit

1309
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,640
we're not going into a huge amount of

1310
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,280
detail but um in our whole poking we are

1311
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,920
standing on the shoulders of of giants

1312
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,920
or at least looking at a website that

1313
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,920
did some good detective work

1314
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,680
better detective work than i do i mean

1315
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,760
they talked on the phone to people i

1316
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:36,000
almost never do that so hats off to

1317
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:37,280
anyone committed enough to an

1318
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,640
investigation to pick up a phone their

1319
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,920
their heroes

1320
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,760
everyone i'll put a link to it in the

1321
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,079
show notes but basically the upshot is

1322
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,040
that they've looked into this story of

1323
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:51,280
alexander duncan cameron supposedly the

1324
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:54,400
father of edward cameron and duncan

1325
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,200
cameron jr and

1326
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,359
it turns out that

1327
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,440
this man exists a man named alexander

1328
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,079
duncan cameron existed but the picture

1329
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,319
that was always on albilic's website was

1330
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:08,800
not the picture of

1331
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,599
the same man he talked about and the

1332
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,839
creator of this website found the

1333
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,400
grandchildren of um or the granddaughter

1334
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,720
of alexander duncan cameron saying

1335
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,880
that's his picture

1336
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,319
but um

1337
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,880
this is nothing to do with with my

1338
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:26,800
family they basically found a picture

1339
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:31,119
and a name from a yale yearbook

1340
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,960
and then said it was a princeton

1341
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:37,200
yearbook um it's

1342
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:38,240
it's

1343
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,480
all a fabrication there's also some

1344
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,920
interviews with people who worked with

1345
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,520
al bilik in the past and said he was

1346
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,440
always interested in this stuff he did

1347
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:49,359
do a lot of

1348
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,760
work and investigation with the

1349
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,000
psychotronics u.s psychotronics

1350
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:55,599
association which is how he came into

1351
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,559
contact with this preston nichols fellow

1352
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:00,960
and that is where we're going to head

1353
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,480
next to preston nicholls and the montauk

1354
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,160
project

1355
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:07,920
so in

1356
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,119
the early 90s or mid 90s 1992 i guess

1357
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,040
that's early 90s

1358
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,680
preston nichols teamed up with a guy

1359
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,240
named peter moon and wrote the montauk

1360
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,800
project experiments in time

1361
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,119
and preston nichols

1362
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,680
it's it's hard to describe him he's

1363
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,119
he was sort of a

1364
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:29,200
electronics genius

1365
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,319
who gets involved in

1366
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,040
investigating what's going on in montauk

1367
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,160
and at camp hero the supposed place

1368
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,720
where billet comes back to he'd already

1369
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,480
known bilic through the u.s

1370
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,800
psychotronics association which is an

1371
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:47,119
organization that was interested in

1372
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,319
as far as i can tell mind control

1373
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,559
technology and and using machines to

1374
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,720
control the mind or influence the mind

1375
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,240
and things like that

1376
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,559
so there would be a trilogy of books um

1377
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,880
the montauk project experiments in time

1378
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:02,880
montauk revisited adventures in

1379
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,680
synchronicity and pyramids of montauk

1380
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:08,079
explorations in consciousness these all

1381
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,079
come out between 92 and 95 or 96 or so

1382
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,680
and they get progressively weirder and

1383
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,000
initially i had thought to go through

1384
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,920
these books in detail but they're so

1385
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,160
weird and they're so bizarre and so

1386
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,200
dense and they do get very far afield

1387
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,359
from the philadelphia experiment i think

1388
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:30,160
we can sort of hit some highlights of

1389
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,760
them with some sound clips from the

1390
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:33,680
various videos and documentaries that

1391
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,800
are around and get a good idea of

1392
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:39,599
what might be going on with some

1393
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,880
interesting side trips here or there to

1394
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:44,880
ancient times and time travel and things

1395
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:46,000
like that

1396
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,760
so things begin with a a forward by

1397
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:51,520
by peter moon it's it's hard to tell

1398
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,559
sometimes who's writing which part of

1399
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,480
the book sometimes they label it clearly

1400
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:58,720
sometimes they don't but there is a

1401
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,040
guide to the reader and oh this is peter

1402
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,680
moon i see at the top of the page and it

1403
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,920
has an interesting

1404
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:08,880
i would call it a disclaimer but i think

1405
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:11,839
peter moon would probably describe it as

1406
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,559
an exploration to the nature of

1407
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:16,480
evidence

1408
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:17,920
some of the data you'll read in this

1409
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,559
book can be considered as soft facts

1410
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:22,640
soft facts are not untrue they are just

1411
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,079
not backed up by irrefutable

1412
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,400
documentation a hard fact would be

1413
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,400
documentation or hard physical evidence

1414
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,480
that could stand up to scrutiny by the

1415
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,839
nature of the subject matter and

1416
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:34,160
security considerations hard facts about

1417
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,839
the montauk project have been very

1418
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,160
difficult to obtain there's also an area

1419
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,160
between soft and hard facts which can be

1420
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:42,559
termed gray facts these would be very

1421
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:44,559
plausible but not as easily provable as

1422
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:49,910
so nichols tells us that back in the

1423
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,200
early 1970s he was working for a

1424
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,359
large well-known defense contractor on

1425
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,079
long island that he calls bjm that's not

1426
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,400
the real name and he began doing

1427
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,880
research into radio waves and telepathic

1428
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,040
communication he realized that radio

1429
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:07,440
waves and telepathic communication work

1430
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,880
on the same principles he's working with

1431
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,480
antennas and sorts of things and he

1432
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:15,200
picks up a signal and he traces the

1433
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,160
signal

1434
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,280
to montauk and he's walking around and

1435
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:21,920
he is meeting people and the caretaker

1436
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,359
and he's finding

1437
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:24,880
strange

1438
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:31,920
been there before then in 1984 he meets

1439
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:35,520
duncan cameron and this guy just shows

1440
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,440
up in his lab and he knows where things

1441
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,599
are at montauk he knows where the things

1442
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:43,760
are the mess hall and things like that

1443
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:47,440
and duncan decides that he might know

1444
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:50,240
more than he remembers so preston uses

1445
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:52,640
he says techniques that he'd learned to

1446
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,680
help duncan unblock his memories and a

1447
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:58,160
lot of information comes out

1448
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:59,680
many different things were revealed

1449
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,839
until finally a shocking program came

1450
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,520
straight to the awareness of duncan's

1451
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,839
conscious mind he blurted out that he

1452
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,520
had been programmed to come to my place

1453
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:09,359
befriend me and then kill me and blow up

1454
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,800
my entire lap

1455
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:12,960
all my work would be totally destroyed

1456
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,720
duncan appeared to be more outraged at

1457
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,559
all this than i was he swore that he

1458
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,920
would no longer help those who had

1459
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,920
programmed him and he has worked with me

1460
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:21,119
ever since

1461
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,640
further work with duncan has revealed

1462
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,800
even more bizarre information he had

1463
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,400
been involved in the philadelphia

1464
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,160
experiment he said that he and his

1465
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:29,680
brother edward had served aboard the

1466
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,309
nichols continues to feel like he has

1467
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,960
some sort of connection himself to

1468
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:41,280
whatever has been going on at montauk

1469
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,839
and he follows some instincts

1470
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:46,559
into an office and it turns out it was

1471
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:50,400
his office from 1971 when he was a

1472
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,680
director of the project and as he

1473
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,839
unlocks more memories and as he learns

1474
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,079
more about this he realizes that this

1475
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,040
montauk project was designed to really

1476
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:03,040
do all kinds of things it's all over the

1477
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,960
place there's time travel involved

1478
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,440
there's interdimensional travel involved

1479
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,520
there's jumping between different time

1480
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,079
tracks there's going to be mind control

1481
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,640
involved in some ways and

1482
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,160
one of the greatest things about this

1483
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,559
and going into endless detail about it

1484
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,559
is just gonna is just gonna break our

1485
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,839
brains but one of the greatest things

1486
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,480
about it was there was a chair

1487
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,200
the montauk chair and this is how it's

1488
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,480
described initially

1489
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,240
inside that building they had a chair

1490
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,640
inside a shielded room first they'd sit

1491
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,319
someone in the chair this was usually

1492
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,640
duncan cameron then they would open and

1493
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,960
close the door to determine how much uhf

1494
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:42,480
microwave energy was getting into the

1495
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,359
room

1496
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:44,880
all this was being done while the

1497
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,880
antenna was rotated and focused to a

1498
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,799
point in front of the building at the

1499
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:50,720
same time the transmitter was blasting

1500
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,130
gigawatts of power

1501
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:54,640
[Music]

1502
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,520
so what is this chair actually for

1503
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,079
preston nichols goes into the technology

1504
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,880
underlying the chair

1505
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,440
in the 1950s itt developed sensor

1506
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,200
technology that could literally display

1507
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,119
what a person was thinking it was

1508
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:11,200
essentially a mind-reading machine it

1509
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,880
operated on the principle of picking up

1510
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:14,640
the electromagnetic functions of human

1511
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,640
beings and translating those in an

1512
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:18,960
understandable form it consisted of a

1513
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:21,280
chair in which a person would sit coils

1514
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,720
which served as sensors were placed

1515
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,720
around the chair there were also three

1516
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:27,040
receivers six channels and a cray-one

1517
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:28,799
computer which would display what was on

1518
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,549
the chair could also be used in

1519
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:38,319
combination with duncan cameron's

1520
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,280
amazing psychic abilities to

1521
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,240
do even more tangible things here

1522
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:46,960
preston explains how that worked and

1523
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,160
this is from a a video about the montauk

1524
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,640
project that was shot on vhs and was

1525
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:54,559
very sort of

1526
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,440
grainy and uh and weird and sort of home

1527
00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:00,400
movie looking and it gives you a little

1528
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:01,760
you can get a sort of

1529
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,400
feel for what it's like to

1530
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,559
be around preston nichols

1531
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:09,520
he was trained to actually visualize

1532
00:56:15,309 --> 00:56:12,400
something in its entirety

1533
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:15,319
and what they're experimenting with was

1534
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:17,640
precipitating or

1535
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:21,040
materializing objects around the base

1536
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,839
a favorite was a can of budweiser beer

1537
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,680
on the base commander's desk the base

1538
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,599
commander like

1539
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:29,440
so they showed duncan

1540
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:31,760
a picture of the base commander's desk

1541
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,559
in his office and he would visualize in

1542
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,319
his virtual reality

1543
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:39,040
a can of budweiser beer sitting on that

1544
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:40,160
desk

1545
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,000
and the guy could drink it that didn't

1546
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,680
poison him or anything he said it was

1547
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:47,359
very good it was better than typical bud

1548
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,349
amazing a little bit later duncan is

1549
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,359
going to manifest something even more

1550
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:57,920
impressive than a can of budweiser so

1551
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,799
preston also talks about how the montauk

1552
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,680
project was working on creating

1553
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:06,240
um portals through time for for time

1554
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:07,920
travel and things like that and he

1555
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:09,920
describes what these these portals and

1556
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,319
tunnels looked like

1557
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,920
i've been told by those who entered the

1558
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,440
tunnel that it looked like a spiral

1559
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,040
similar to science fiction style

1560
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,440
renditions of a vortex when outside the

1561
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,799
tunnel it looked like you were looking

1562
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,960
through space from one circular opening

1563
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,720
through space to a circular but a little

1564
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,799
bit smaller window at the other end

1565
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,640
i was considered too valuable to the

1566
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:30,400
technical operation and was not allowed

1567
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,990
so it's just a coincidence that it

1568
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:37,680
looked like the time tunnel from the old

1569
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,880
tv show the time tunnel a bit later the

1570
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:43,200
phoenix project which was the official

1571
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:44,640
name of the montauk project or the

1572
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,599
project taking place at montauk would um

1573
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,000
start recruiting people for

1574
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:52,559
time travel experiments and sort of

1575
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:55,520
large numbers of people and preston

1576
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,240
argues that argues claims there is a a

1577
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:01,119
nazi connection or a neo-nazi connection

1578
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,960
to all of this and the time travel story

1579
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,559
i thought it was weird when you had al

1580
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,040
bilik going into the year 2700 and his

1581
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,240
soul going back to 1927 or something but

1582
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:14,720
the time travel aspect just gets a lot

1583
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,880
more strange

1584
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,640
a later investigation showed that

1585
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,559
montauk had a neo-nazi connection and

1586
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,400
that the nazis were still on the aryan

1587
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,040
kick we don't know where the kids went

1588
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:26,880
what they were educated in or programmed

1589
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,680
for

1590
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,280
whether they came back or not is still a

1591
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:31,440
mystery what information is available is

1592
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:33,040
that they sent every raw recruit into

1593
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,839
the future to 60 37 a.d always to the

1594
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:37,920
same point to what appeared to be a dead

1595
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,240
city in ruins everything was stationary

1596
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,400
not unlike a dream state there were no

1597
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,559
signs of life in the center of the city

1598
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:46,319
was a square with a gold horse on a

1599
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,319
pedestal there were inscriptions on that

1600
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,160
pedestal and the recruits were sent

1601
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,160
there to read what they said each

1602
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:54,319
recruit would interpret and report we

1603
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,680
still don't know what the researchers

1604
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:57,440
were after they could have been trying

1605
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,200
to find the same answer from different

1606
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,680
people i don't know duncan suggested

1607
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:03,599
there was technology in the pedestal and

1608
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,119
that they were trying to get somebody to

1609
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,839
sense or feel what the technology was

1610
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,359
we know a lot of people were shoved

1611
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,520
somewhere into the future maybe 200 or

1612
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,920
300 years ahead estimates range from

1613
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,680
three to ten thousand people that were

1614
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:18,160
eventually abandoned we have no idea for

1615
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:25,510
i wonder if these are some of those soft

1616
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,480
facts we heard about in the introduction

1617
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:30,720
the project was also sending people to

1618
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,559
mars to uh to ruins on mars and

1619
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,920
how do we know where they're sending

1620
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:36,960
people to mars is there any

1621
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,119
corroborating evidence well

1622
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,240
nichols cites alternative three which

1623
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:44,400
we've done an episode about and the

1624
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:47,680
research of richard hoagland the face on

1625
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:50,640
mars guy and uh just this little bit

1626
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,200
here he talks about alternative three

1627
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:56,400
and it is just astounding in its lack of

1628
01:00:02,069 --> 01:00:00,480
thoroughness and or accuracy

1629
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,079
it is not my cause to prove that a

1630
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,960
colony exists or did exist on mars i

1631
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:06,640
have included this information so that

1632
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,000
the reader will understand there is an

1633
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,920
entire scenario concerning mars that is

1634
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:11,920
separate from my story those who are

1635
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,319
interested can investigate hoagland's

1636
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,119
mars or alternative 3 for themselves it

1637
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,640
is interesting to note however that the

1638
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,799
documentary entitled alternative 3 was

1639
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:22,880
shown on a san francisco tv station

1640
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,520
sometime around the late 70s a story has

1641
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,200
proliferated since that time that the

1642
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,280
fcc threatened to revoke the station's

1643
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:31,040
broadcasting license if it were shown

1644
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,150
if you haven't listened to our episode

1645
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:40,480
about alternative three um from a couple

1646
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:43,920
years back please do so uh for a wider

1647
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,799
vision of why that statement is a very

1648
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:49,040
incomplete story of the alternative

1649
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:50,079
three

1650
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:51,680
documentary

1651
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,720
it was

1652
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,400
as you know a

1653
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:56,559
draw a television drama from britain it

1654
01:01:04,230 --> 01:00:59,920
was a mockumentary april fool's day

1655
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,240
style prank so we are now up to 1983 in

1656
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:06,720
the history of the montauk project and

1657
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,520
it's august 5th 1983

1658
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:11,440
preston says they are given orders to

1659
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:14,480
run the montauk transmitter non-stop

1660
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:17,440
just ripping holes in hyperspace all

1661
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,000
over the place and a week later

1662
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,319
the eldridge appears so this is where it

1663
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,880
links up with the the philadelphia

1664
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:27,200
experiment and the al bilik story and

1665
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:30,000
then the duncan from 1943 appears and

1666
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,079
he's hanging out there with the duncan

1667
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:34,880
who's at the montauk base in 1983 and

1668
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:37,040
they they kept him out of his own way so

1669
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,480
he wouldn't you know corrupt the

1670
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:39,839
timelines

1671
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:42,000
or anything like that but

1672
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:44,960
the project nichols says had reached

1673
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,599
quote apocalyptic proportions natural

1674
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:49,440
laws were being violated and it seemed

1675
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,319
everyone involved felt uncomfortable so

1676
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:54,559
nichols and three other colleagues

1677
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,960
including duncan decide to wreck the

1678
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,200
whole place and bring it down and the

1679
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:01,599
way they're going to do it is with the

1680
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:02,480
chair

1681
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:06,559
somebody approached him saying the time

1682
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:07,680
is now

1683
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,839
this is what happened

1684
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,760
at this moment he let loose a monster

1685
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,880
from his subconscious and the

1686
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:14,720
transmitter actually portrayed a hairy

1687
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:17,520
monster it was big hairy hungry and

1688
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,839
nasty but it didn't appear underground

1689
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:21,839
at the null point it showed up somewhere

1690
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,680
on the base it would eat anything it

1691
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,440
could find and it smashed everything in

1692
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:27,359
sight several different people saw it

1693
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,799
but almost everyone described a

1694
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,799
different beast it was either nine feet

1695
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,480
tall or thirty feet tall depending on

1696
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:34,559
who saw it i personally believe it was

1697
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,640
about 9 or 10 feet in height freight

1698
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,559
does strange things to people and no one

1699
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:40,240
was sure of what the exact physical

1700
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:42,640
constitution of this monster was no one

1701
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:44,480
was in any frame of mind to calmly and

1702
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:51,750
this is probably one of my favorite

1703
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,799
things about this entire story of

1704
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:56,559
all of this it's just manifesting this

1705
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,400
monster that then rampages through the

1706
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,240
base wrecking everything

1707
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:02,480
inside they they wreck all the machinery

1708
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:04,880
they're trying to to make sure that none

1709
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:06,559
of this can ever be used again and

1710
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:09,200
everything falls apart the base was

1711
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:11,920
sealed up and that's the end of it

1712
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:14,480
or is it what else do we learn from the

1713
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,440
montauk project oh we learned that uh dr

1714
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:19,440
john von neumann did not die back in i

1715
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,000
think the late 50s when our

1716
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:24,640
history says he died he's still alive he

1717
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:26,799
was living under the name dr reinhardt

1718
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:29,680
which is hilarious because that is um

1719
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:32,559
one of the names that was used in um

1720
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,960
as a sort of cover for a scientist i

1721
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,480
believe in the mauren berlitz

1722
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:38,240
philadelphia experiment book they just

1723
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:41,359
sort of swiped that um oh oh there's

1724
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:44,559
this other little piece of information

1725
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:46,160
at this writing we are currently in a

1726
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:48,079
time loop this loop extends from where

1727
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:50,079
the montauk researchers penetrated into

1728
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,680
the past up to where they penetrated

1729
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:53,760
into the future it's fixed and would

1730
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:56,240
appear unalterable however this does not

1731
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:57,760
mean that we are all relegated to being

1732
01:04:01,990 --> 01:04:00,240
hopeless slaves of time manipulators the

1733
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,000
subconscious has its automatic or

1734
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:04,400
hypnotic levels but it also contains the

1735
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:05,680
seeds of freedom

1736
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:08,319
dreams if one can dream something it can

1737
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,109
like a big giant hairy monster that

1738
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:17,839
destroys your air force base so that's

1739
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:19,839
basically it for that montauk project

1740
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:21,839
book the initial one the second book

1741
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:24,400
montauk revisited adventures in

1742
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,400
synchronicity has a a sizable chunk of

1743
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:30,240
introduction stuff by peter moon he

1744
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,960
writes a lot more in this one and the

1745
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:34,880
third book than the first one

1746
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:35,680
but

1747
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:39,200
he has this to say about preston

1748
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:41,359
preston is a walking talking security

1749
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,720
risk as far as the intelligence

1750
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:44,640
community is concerned there's no

1751
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:46,160
question in my own mind that he has been

1752
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,520
involved with secret government and

1753
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,920
intelligence projects it's also obvious

1754
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:51,440
to anyone who knows him that he has been

1755
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:53,359
schooled in information that is beyond

1756
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,119
the boundaries of higher learning

1757
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,960
preston remembers studying textbooks and

1758
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,720
information that is privy only to those

1759
01:05:01,829 --> 01:05:00,240
in secret sectors of the military

1760
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,839
industrial complex

1761
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:03,280
though his only degree is a bachelor's

1762
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:05,200
in engineering he estimates that he has

1763
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:07,119
obtained the equivalent of phds in

1764
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:09,039
physics psychology theology and

1765
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:11,039
engineering his opinions are most

1766
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:12,880
definitely sought after by prominent

1767
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:19,990
among the interesting things in this

1768
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:23,440
book is an entire chapter dedicated to

1769
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:25,520
skullduggery surrounding the

1770
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:27,680
philadelphia experiment

1771
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:31,119
movie including tracking down one of the

1772
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:33,839
script writers who claims that he was

1773
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:36,559
the one who put the the time travel

1774
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:38,079
elements into the script that before it

1775
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:40,640
had just been sort of a conspiracy kind

1776
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,280
of movie but but peter moon does not

1777
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,359
believe this could this be another

1778
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,000
disinformation ploy you know to cover up

1779
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:50,400
things because remember time travel

1780
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:51,920
really hadn't been part of the

1781
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:54,480
philadelphia experiment thing at all

1782
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:55,680
until

1783
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:58,640
felik shows up and the montauk people

1784
01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:00,400
show up so

1785
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:01,520
i mean

1786
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,160
the movie having the time travel stuff

1787
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:06,720
in it and then subsequently time travel

1788
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,079
gets added to the philadelphia

1789
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:10,160
experiment by these people selling books

1790
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:11,760
and selling tickets to talks and things

1791
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:13,839
like that i don't know it seems kind of

1792
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:15,680
suspicious to me there's a lot more we

1793
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:17,440
could go into with some of the details

1794
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,319
about nazi occult things and magic and

1795
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,319
aleister crowley and they bring in l ron

1796
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:24,720
hubbard and jack parsons and the babylon

1797
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,440
working and the pyramids of montauk

1798
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:29,200
matching up to pyramids in egypt and

1799
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:32,000
pyramids on mars and they bring in the

1800
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:34,480
montauk native american group and it's

1801
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:36,079
just a

1802
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:39,680
morass of weirdness that progressively

1803
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:42,880
takes us further and further away from

1804
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:45,200
the philadelphia experiment roots of all

1805
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:46,720
this but there's one last thing i want

1806
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:50,000
to talk about and that is or those are

1807
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:51,599
the montauk boys

1808
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:53,839
beginning in the early 70s the montauk

1809
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:56,319
group became interested in mind

1810
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:58,480
controlling young boys they were

1811
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:01,359
separated into three groups ages 6 to 12

1812
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:05,359
13 to 16 and 16 to 22

1813
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:08,160
and some would go to the gray aliens for

1814
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,319
genetic experimentation others be

1815
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:12,319
programmed and put back into society

1816
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:14,240
sometimes with their original family

1817
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:16,160
sometimes with a new family

1818
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,280
so what were they being programmed for

1819
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:21,119
the idea with these younger children was

1820
01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:22,319
to have them assimilate into the

1821
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,319
population they would be groomed to be

1822
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,160
normal pillars of society and would go

1823
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:28,000
to college and become lawyers doctors

1824
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:30,160
politicians or whatever these people are

1825
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,520
sleepers in the sense that when the

1826
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:33,359
secret government wants to activate them

1827
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:35,039
they will be on call they could be

1828
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:36,480
answerable on both a psychotronic

1829
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,960
hypnotic basis or verbal command the

1830
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:40,640
plan is to activate them when chaotic

1831
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,160
times come so that they can band

1832
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:44,240
together into vigilante squads and go

1833
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:45,839
after government enemies their

1834
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:47,520
instructions are not specific other than

1835
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:49,119
to go after anyone believed to be

1836
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:50,960
anti-government and to commit general

1837
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:52,720
destruction against anti-government

1838
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:57,990
there's also some details here and and

1839
01:08:02,069 --> 01:08:00,400
this is in montauk revisited the second

1840
01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:02,079
book in the trilogy the third book is

1841
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:03,680
the one that gets into all the the

1842
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,039
really weird stuff and this came out in

1843
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:06,960
1994 but

1844
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:09,760
listen to this and think if it sounds

1845
01:08:14,270 --> 01:08:12,160
like anything that

1846
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:14,280
might be current in today's

1847
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:17,279
conspiratorial environment

1848
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:19,120
while the kids were being broken rod

1849
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:20,799
like antenna structures were placed in

1850
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,799
the room i believe this was an alien

1851
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,480
device that was designed to pick up the

1852
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,480
patterns of fear and hopelessness

1853
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,080
someone was apparently recording these

1854
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:29,920
patterns the boys that died were

1855
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,600
analyzed and had certain body parts

1856
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:33,359
removed these body parts were

1857
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,799
significant because of the state they

1858
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:36,319
were in when the boys died at the height

1859
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:37,279
of fear

1860
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,759
ufo folklore has it that the grey nation

1861
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,920
is very interested in our fear it has

1862
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:43,359
been suggested that they harvest our

1863
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,000
fright at montauk it is possible that

1864
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:48,080
the kids scenario was originally set up

1865
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:50,159
by the greys for their own purposes it

1866
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,920
is also possible that they suggested it

1867
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:53,759
and the montauk brass did it for their

1868
01:09:02,470 --> 01:08:59,669
so maybe i'm just too steeped in

1869
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:02,480
conspiracy culture but this sounds so

1870
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:05,199
much like the adrenochrome

1871
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:08,799
extraction stuff that is current in the

1872
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:12,000
sort of q anon adjacent conspiracy

1873
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,199
community

1874
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:15,440
so a few years back there was a tv show

1875
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,719
called disinformation tv and it looked

1876
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,400
at a lot of really weird stuff sort of

1877
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,480
turn of the millennium stuff and they

1878
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:24,640
did a segment like a 10-minute segment

1879
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:25,440
on

1880
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,239
really really fascinating and

1881
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:32,880
here we have preston nichols talking

1882
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:35,839
about how these montauk boys would would

1883
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:37,759
come find him after

1884
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:40,159
after his presentations usually they

1885
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:42,159
hear me speak then they come up to me at

1886
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:43,600
the lecture and say am i one of the

1887
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:46,799
montauk boys he spoke of

1888
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:49,040
and of course i ask them why do they you

1889
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:51,199
know why are they questioning

1890
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:53,759
and they say well it feels right

1891
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:56,320
or some say they have dreams there's

1892
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:57,600
also a man interviewed in this

1893
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,920
documentary named stuart swerdlow who

1894
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,400
claimed he was part of the montauk

1895
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:05,040
project and was used in in time travel

1896
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:06,960
experimentation and missions we'll hear

1897
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:10,320
one example in a little bit but um he

1898
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,800
had a slightly different opinion about

1899
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:14,880
these people who claimed to be montauk

1900
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:18,400
boys or wanted to be montauk boys

1901
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:20,080
well there are people who want to

1902
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:21,760
believe they're involved in the montana

1903
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,320
project because to them

1904
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:26,640
on the outside it may appear glamorous

1905
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:28,320
mysterious

1906
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:30,080
there's a certain intrigue involved that

1907
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:31,840
makes them special

1908
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:32,960
um

1909
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,880
what they don't realize is for the

1910
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:36,560
people who have really been involved

1911
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,199
it's been a very traumatic debasing and

1912
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:41,679
degrading experience that nobody should

1913
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:42,719
go through

1914
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,760
as for swardlow's mission he undertook

1915
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:47,600
this is

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01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:51,199
just

1917
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,800
fun and weird i was sent through the

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01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:56,400
portal

1919
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,360
with the

1920
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:00,000
with a pistol and my goal was to

1921
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,760
actually um kill the christ figure

1922
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:06,480
and what happened was when i saw him

1923
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:09,440
coming down the steps of the temple

1924
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:10,960
i couldn't do it

1925
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:13,600
i just i ran away

1926
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:15,120
they sent me back

1927
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:17,760
when he was up on the cross

1928
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:20,960
and my goal then was to extract vials of

1929
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,520
blood from his body which i did do

1930
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,760
i did bring them back it was the idea to

1931
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,000
bring about a uh

1932
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,640
a forced apocalypse what no he was

1933
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:32,719
supposed to they were going to take the

1934
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:33,760
blood

1935
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:39,360
basically shoot up duncan with you know

1936
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,600
replace all his blood with the clone

1937
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:43,440
blood of christ

1938
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:46,800
then he'd board a craft

1939
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,000
fly from mars to here land

1940
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,080
proclaim himself christ say that he's

1941
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:54,400
christ returned

1942
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,120
what would happen is the

1943
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:59,040
medical people would take a sample of

1944
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,159
his blood

1945
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,239
and compare it to a blood sample on the

1946
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:04,640
from the shroud of turin

1947
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,600
and they say genetically it's the same

1948
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,280
soft facts folks

1949
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:12,480
soft facts okay one last thing and this

1950
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:14,320
is what the disclaimer at the beginning

1951
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:17,199
was about um

1952
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:20,320
preston nichols had a um

1953
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:22,080
had a headache technique for

1954
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:26,239
deprogramming these montauk boys um

1955
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:27,920
and uh

1956
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,560
we're we're this is this is where the

1957
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,280
documentary reveals that this is

1958
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:35,600
rough stuff the woman uh woman's voice

1959
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:38,000
you're hearing is alexandra bruce who

1960
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,000
wrote a book we'll be covering next week

1961
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,480
in our listener feedback and sort of

1962
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,560
wrap-up session of tangential things she

1963
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:46,159
wrote a book called

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01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:47,280
the

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01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:50,320
philadelphia experiment murders but um

1966
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:52,239
here are our

1967
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,960
alexander bruce and preston nichols

1968
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,719
and you'll recognize their voices and

1969
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:59,199
there's a narrator as well

1970
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:00,560
i

1971
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:16,640
and very

1972
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,520
messed up i believe by

1973
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:21,679
a lot of multi-dimensional weirdness

1974
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,880
including

1975
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,880
certain deprogramming

1976
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,960
uh work that was done on him by preston

1977
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:28,800
and i i do have

1978
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,080
my problems with that whole scenario i

1979
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,880
have the ability through my empathic or

1980
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,080
empathy

1981
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:38,400
to literally be able to scan and look

1982
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:41,280
into a human being

1983
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:43,040
they involved

1984
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:46,159
masturbating young men

1985
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:48,960
in a lot with the help of i think

1986
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:50,239
certain um

1987
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:51,760
radionic

1988
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,560
devices and and then and quit and then

1989
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:58,800
questioning them like inquisitioning

1990
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:02,000
them in that kind of a scenario let me

1991
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,120
ask you this

1992
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:06,080
if you have this ability

1993
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:09,199
look at me and tell me what you see

1994
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,800
i can't just look at you i literally

1995
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:12,640
have to feel your

1996
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:15,760
your uh or and your frequencies and scan

1997
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:18,640
then i do it through hand scans that's

1998
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:20,880
to be close on

1999
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,600
that is so creepy that is so

2000
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:24,960
so creepy

2001
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:28,239
and i think that's kind of where i want

2002
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:29,199
to

2003
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,320
draw a line under the montauk project

2004
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:33,920
yes there's

2005
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:36,560
a wealth of more things to talk about

2006
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:37,840
but

2007
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:40,000
just to sort of sum up al bilik died in

2008
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:41,280
2011.

2009
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:44,000
preston nichols in 2018 and duncan

2010
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:45,840
cameron and i'm not sure who duncan

2011
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:48,239
cameron really is i

2012
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:50,239
tried to figure it out but

2013
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,920
didn't figure out if he had a different

2014
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,000
name somebody out there will email me to

2015
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:56,159
correct me on that i'm sure but duncan

2016
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:59,120
cameron died in 2019

2017
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,719
i've not heard any news of their souls

2018
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:02,880
being reborn but i would not be at all

2019
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:05,840
surprised if someone in about 2041 shows

2020
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:08,239
up at a ufo convention claiming to be

2021
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:11,199
edward cameron in a new body

2022
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:12,880
and so it will go

2023
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,239
forever

2024
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:16,239
so what do we do with this

2025
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,679
with all of this i've been thinking

2026
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,440
about that a lot over the last couple

2027
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,600
months that i've been working on on all

2028
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:23,280
of this material and i think

2029
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:25,440
the issue of which parts are true and

2030
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:26,560
which aren't

2031
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,199
is kind of a blind alley i do kind of

2032
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:31,199
like keel's notion that carl allen got

2033
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:32,880
some things confused and wove a whole

2034
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:35,199
narrative around a misunderstanding

2035
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:37,120
about invisibility

2036
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,960
tricks and

2037
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:40,640
experimental ships

2038
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:42,480
i am fairly convinced that morris k

2039
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:44,800
jessup was a victim of depression and

2040
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:46,000
suicide

2041
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:48,640
and i think that sometimes the

2042
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:51,600
conspiracy culture with its emphasis on

2043
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,080
nothing being simple and nothing being

2044
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,000
straightforward

2045
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,000
does a lot to erase

2046
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,480
things like mental illness and and

2047
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,400
suicide and depression

2048
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:04,880
and things like that and

2049
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:07,199
i'm not getting on a soapbox here i i'm

2050
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:08,560
i'm really not

2051
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,520
but

2052
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:11,760
looking into some of these topics too

2053
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,320
deeply for too long

2054
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:16,480
can affect you not in any sort of spooky

2055
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:20,560
paranormal way um not not the trickster

2056
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:23,280
not anything like that i think sometimes

2057
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:24,880
when you deal with these things the

2058
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:27,120
darker side of the stuff especially the

2059
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:29,679
mind control stuff especially

2060
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,239
the dark political stuff

2061
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,800
i i think it can it can drag you down

2062
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:36,480
into a hole these rabbit holes can

2063
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:39,040
become obsessions and obsessions with

2064
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:41,679
dark depressing stuff

2065
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:43,040
that

2066
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:44,239
you

2067
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:47,440
need to be careful and need to take care

2068
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:48,480
of yourself

2069
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:50,320
and you need to step back there's a

2070
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:51,600
reason

2071
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:54,000
why i follow up

2072
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:56,480
you know two weeks of mill labs and

2073
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:58,239
abductions with

2074
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,000
a fun pleasant

2075
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:03,120
japanese contactee it's fun and um what

2076
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:05,600
am i following this up with

2077
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:07,520
william dudley pelly and the silver

2078
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:09,199
shirts and their connection and

2079
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,239
right-wing

2080
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:12,480
politics and fascism's connections to uh

2081
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:14,560
to ufology so

2082
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:16,880
diving right back in there but

2083
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,560
i i've learned when to step back and uh

2084
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:22,480
that that was kind of a soapbox wasn't

2085
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:23,679
it um

2086
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:25,840
i just

2087
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:27,840
take care of yourselves okay this is

2088
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:30,560
weird stuff sometimes this is

2089
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,440
this is weird stuff so moving on i i'm

2090
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:35,760
pretty sure preston nichols was a weird

2091
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:38,320
creepy kind of predator a little bit

2092
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:41,600
with his uh deprogramming techniques and

2093
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:44,239
i i did not look into i purposely did

2094
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:45,840
not look into how young some of the

2095
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,480
montauk boys were these young men that

2096
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:50,880
he deprogrammed um

2097
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:52,400
uh yeah

2098
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,840
anyway but i think the best way to think

2099
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:55,520
about all this is

2100
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,520
almost as a reflection of how the worlds

2101
01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:59,520
of ufology and conspiracy get

2102
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:01,840
progressively darker over the decades

2103
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,199
it's kind of hard to remember this has

2104
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:05,440
been a ufo story all the way back to

2105
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:07,199
jessup's marked up book and all the way

2106
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:09,280
through the talk of the grays at montauk

2107
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:09,920
and

2108
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:14,960
torturing young boys to nourish aliens

2109
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:15,920
it's

2110
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:20,480
hard to remember

2111
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:22,400
that this started off in a much more

2112
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:24,320
simple way we go from an intriguing

2113
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,320
mystery about the navy wanting copies of

2114
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:28,480
a strangely annotated book

2115
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:30,159
and we end up with

2116
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:32,159
all of this

2117
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:33,520
you know what i mentioned i was going to

2118
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:35,120
be looking into montauk a bit several

2119
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:36,960
people on social media and

2120
01:18:40,149 --> 01:18:38,719
friends who are into this sort of thing

2121
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,159
a lot of people told me i was in for a

2122
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:42,719
wild ride and they were right

2123
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:44,480
if i didn't do it justice and i'm not

2124
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:46,400
claiming that i did it's because it

2125
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:48,000
sometimes veered into areas where i'm

2126
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:50,480
just not competent or interested magic

2127
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:53,199
in the occult for the not competent

2128
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,440
pseudo-scientific technobabble for the

2129
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,600
not interested part but i will say this

2130
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:59,840
al bilik comes across as an utterly

2131
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:02,400
straightforward and sincere

2132
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,880
speaker when saying the most outrageous

2133
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:06,560
nonsense it's

2134
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:09,280
an amazing gift overall i think this has

2135
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:10,640
been an interesting study and how

2136
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:12,560
narratives change and develop over time

2137
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:14,080
and how they can be manipulated and

2138
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:16,719
twisted into something else and that is

2139
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:18,800
of course kind of my bread and butter on

2140
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:20,960
this show and in my research and writing

2141
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:23,199
so this has been a useful exercise and i

2142
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:26,239
hope i hope you've enjoyed it as well

2143
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,719
and now i can cross the philadelphia

2144
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:30,640
experiment off a list of topics that

2145
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:32,320
dates back to about

2146
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:34,960
2017 so

2147
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,520
again i hope you uh i hope you enjoyed

2148
01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:39,679
this ride i

2149
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:42,640
i did i enjoyed it the one redeeming

2150
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:44,320
factor and and

2151
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:45,840
some of you have become

2152
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:48,159
fans just from my talking about her is

2153
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:53,040
mrs pj dowers's book hoax and her whole

2154
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:56,560
involvement with uh carl allen carlos

2155
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:58,880
allende and

2156
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:01,440
somebody uh somebody suggested that

2157
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:02,960
there needs to be more stories about her

2158
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:05,520
and i i was thinking this this line of

2159
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:08,320
you know cozy mysteries what about cozy

2160
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:12,400
ufology with mrs dowers and her boy

2161
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:15,440
solving ufo mysteries um i think uh i

2162
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:18,000
think blackwolf on twitter contacted me

2163
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:18,719
with

2164
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,280
idea of cozy ufo investigation in my

2165
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:25,760
head she is the

2166
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:28,400
most redeeming of all the factors that

2167
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:30,239
have come out of this and i'm forever

2168
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:31,280
grateful

2169
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:32,480
that

2170
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:35,360
book

2171
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:37,760
that that tipped me off to that

2172
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:40,320
so anyway i think this is a good place

2173
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:49,110
okay i've got some thanks and

2174
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:51,600
acknowledgements for this episode brian

2175
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:54,480
r for loads of background information on

2176
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:56,239
bielik for tipping me off on that

2177
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:58,480
disinformation tv segment and some

2178
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:01,040
excellent digitized ancient videotapes

2179
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:04,320
of um i think the the preston nichols uh

2180
01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:06,639
clip that you heard um about the beer

2181
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:09,679
can was was from something he um he he

2182
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:12,960
sourced for me um also the albeelic

2183
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:16,800
debunked website is outstanding and

2184
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:17,920
um

2185
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:19,840
really good stuff right there the

2186
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,159
website de173.com

2187
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:24,719
again the more information about every

2188
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:27,040
aspect of the philadelphia experiment

2189
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,840
than anybody needs i mean nobody needs

2190
01:21:32,629 --> 01:21:31,199
all of it but if you're looking into

2191
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:32,639
these topics you're going to need

2192
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:33,840
something that

2193
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:34,880
is at

2194
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:36,880
de173

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if there's anybody out there who in a

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tweet or a dm or an email or a comment

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on the website

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said something that put a seat in my

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head for you know a later segment and

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i'm not mentioning you i'm

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very sorry um if i have taken any

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suggestions or ideas or advice or help

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and done something stupid with it

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it's completely on me not on you

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thank you for listening remember to send

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in your questions and comments via the

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usual social media or email or website

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channels and we'll address them on the

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feedback episode next week where we'll

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also be closing the loop on some

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tangentially related uh philadelphia

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experiment material

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and then

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william dudley pelly for lester out

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there listening yes you're going to get

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a william dudley pelly episode and

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i hope you enjoy it when i get to it i'm

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i'm i'm excited because it it lets me

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it lets me be a historian a little bit

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which is

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which turns out i'm actually pretty okay

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at our associate producer is simpson j

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hanover iii and the saucer life is a

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production of chiso media llc

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chiso media our heart as ever is with

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the people

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till next time

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keep watching the skies because the

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skies are watching you

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and thank you for hanging in

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with me through this three episode

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saga

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i'm exhausted i'll see you on the other

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side